islanders
Jul 23, 01:12 PM
(i tried to edit this and lost my post!)
Yvan256
Jul 30, 09:33 AM
Really, guys. How many times have we been through this?
As many times as "Apple is switching to Intel", I'd guess.
[...] Americans are used to getting free or cheap phones when they sign up for a carrier contract. [...] The way I understand it, the rest of the world pays full retail everytime they want a new phone. Is this right?
It's true in Canada, too. I went with a 3-years contract with Bell Mobility and my phone (a LG something) was free.
As many times as "Apple is switching to Intel", I'd guess.
[...] Americans are used to getting free or cheap phones when they sign up for a carrier contract. [...] The way I understand it, the rest of the world pays full retail everytime they want a new phone. Is this right?
It's true in Canada, too. I went with a 3-years contract with Bell Mobility and my phone (a LG something) was free.
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ARF900
Apr 25, 09:28 AM
They may be preparing but im not holding my breath on this. They havent even gotten retina displays for the iPad yet...
chrmjenkins
Apr 18, 02:51 PM
Pretty textbook case of biting the hand that feeds you here, even if Samsung business units are separated.
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Apr 23, 04:25 PM
Enough already!!!
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zac4mac
Nov 27, 08:44 AM
Just to add a little fuel to the fire - I found this on MacSurfer - likely another source, sounded a little different. The plot thickens...
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Automation/Display_Panels?Article=/Automation/Display%20Panels/H9R6N2M2
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http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Automation/Display_Panels?Article=/Automation/Display%20Panels/H9R6N2M2
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BRLawyer
Sep 11, 01:20 PM
What we are gonna see tomorrow:
- iTMS Movie Store;
- new Nanos 6 and 8Gb in anodized metal;
- slightly updated iPod with 80Gb;
- Airport Express Video.
And NOTHING ELSE...don't dare dream about updated MBs or MBPs...these have NOTHING to do with a special event on movies and multimedia...sorry to burst your bubble...SJ told me that already... :rolleyes:
- iTMS Movie Store;
- new Nanos 6 and 8Gb in anodized metal;
- slightly updated iPod with 80Gb;
- Airport Express Video.
And NOTHING ELSE...don't dare dream about updated MBs or MBPs...these have NOTHING to do with a special event on movies and multimedia...sorry to burst your bubble...SJ told me that already... :rolleyes:
iliketyla
Mar 29, 05:53 PM
Obviously you know absolutely nothing about Japan. Most employees are very well paid here, and are by in large happy with their jobs. Even those who work part-time in fast-food restaurants. How does $12 an hour to work the evening shift at a McDonald's sound to you?
Sounds very subjective when you give no cost of living comparisons.
Sounds very subjective when you give no cost of living comparisons.
nuckinfutz
May 7, 11:04 AM
Google, Dropbox, Teamviewer. Good enough for me and free.
Eric Schmidt on privacy (http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/48975)
"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."
What Eric like posting my pics of my son up on a page yet not wanting the freakin' world to see? Or how about my list of friends exposed to the world with the automatic opt in of Google Buzz (http://www.businessinsider.com/warning-google-buzz-has-a-huge-privacy-flaw-2010-2)
Google and Facebook are nothing but data mining scavengers. Try this...if the shat hits the fan on either site tell me how quickly you can call and talk to a human? I'll wait.
Eric Schmidt on privacy (http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/48975)
"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."
What Eric like posting my pics of my son up on a page yet not wanting the freakin' world to see? Or how about my list of friends exposed to the world with the automatic opt in of Google Buzz (http://www.businessinsider.com/warning-google-buzz-has-a-huge-privacy-flaw-2010-2)
Google and Facebook are nothing but data mining scavengers. Try this...if the shat hits the fan on either site tell me how quickly you can call and talk to a human? I'll wait.
SactoGuy18
Mar 27, 01:12 PM
I don't believe the TechCrunch story. http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/blum3.gif
Wasn't there a rumor that Apple was going to hold a public event in April to demonstrate iOS 5.0 for the first time and it will be released in July at the same time that the iPhone 5 reaches retailers?
Wasn't there a rumor that Apple was going to hold a public event in April to demonstrate iOS 5.0 for the first time and it will be released in July at the same time that the iPhone 5 reaches retailers?
Multimedia
Aug 11, 11:17 PM
I'm not interested in purchasing a laptop yet... I was waiting for merom to make its way into a MB.... but also for Leopard so I don't have to pay $100 to upgrade in 4 months.
But, I also think the real update is with the Santa Rosa chipset... faster FSB... more ram.... 802.11N!!!!
Thats a big update compared to this.
I'm watching this though to see how quickly they update their models after a new product is announced, I mean its no longer like PPC days when they would be sitting waiting for the chip to arrive ... late....delayed...and generally just missing.... now they have to keep their computer up to date with the chips.
A quicker roll-out really would ease my mind, since that hopefully shows that Santa Rosa will be equally swiftly doled out.
Merom
802.11n
Blu-ray
Leopard
HD screen
7 hr battery for bare min. use
Thats the sweet spot. The last two would be icing on the cake... that would be wonderfully sweet from the blu-ray...
but hey... I think that will really show that apple is on the forefront of technology ... the EXTREME EDGE...Leopard is in 9 months not 4. And Santa Rosa is in the same 9 months. I like you would rather have Santa Rosa inside with Leopard. I may go minimum Merom MacBook Refurb meanwhile. I fugure they'll hit the SAVE page by November. I think Blu-Ray is way overrated and not likely to get inside for another year if ever.
But, I also think the real update is with the Santa Rosa chipset... faster FSB... more ram.... 802.11N!!!!
Thats a big update compared to this.
I'm watching this though to see how quickly they update their models after a new product is announced, I mean its no longer like PPC days when they would be sitting waiting for the chip to arrive ... late....delayed...and generally just missing.... now they have to keep their computer up to date with the chips.
A quicker roll-out really would ease my mind, since that hopefully shows that Santa Rosa will be equally swiftly doled out.
Merom
802.11n
Blu-ray
Leopard
HD screen
7 hr battery for bare min. use
Thats the sweet spot. The last two would be icing on the cake... that would be wonderfully sweet from the blu-ray...
but hey... I think that will really show that apple is on the forefront of technology ... the EXTREME EDGE...Leopard is in 9 months not 4. And Santa Rosa is in the same 9 months. I like you would rather have Santa Rosa inside with Leopard. I may go minimum Merom MacBook Refurb meanwhile. I fugure they'll hit the SAVE page by November. I think Blu-Ray is way overrated and not likely to get inside for another year if ever.
BlizzardBomb
Jul 21, 03:46 PM
Three words: Back to School.
Three more words: Worldwide Developer's Conference. Why would a back to school product be released at a developer's conference. It will have its own event or a silent release. And yes that was way more than three words. :p
Three more words: Worldwide Developer's Conference. Why would a back to school product be released at a developer's conference. It will have its own event or a silent release. And yes that was way more than three words. :p
GregA
Jul 31, 12:22 AM
If this ever happens, I would bet the farm that Apple will do it with their own MVNO. I would make a reasonable guess that this MVNO would be based on Sprint.If Disney is truly thinking of shutting down their MVNO, perhaps Apple would go halves in it? It is a little outside of Apple's normal interests, but it'd be good for them to have a share. (this doesn't help us outside the US!)
As for WiFi:
You'd have to have an open WiFi network anywhere you wanted to make a phone call. WiFi is not NEAR the coverage level of cell service. In my opinion, VOIP cell phones are way overhyped. When WiBro is widespred and ubiquitous, then maybe.
If Apple make a VoIP phone (via Wifi with an Airport base station), naturally you'd have coverage in your home and at work, and Apple might make some strategic deals with WiFi Networks in many cities. At home & work you'd simply have a phone with no mobile charges. As you move about the city, it could update voicemail & email (etc) where possible. That solution would not require FCC approval.
I think the killer feature would be iChat Mobile... To be able to video chat with your friends on the go -- people would eat it up. I don't know why no one has done it yet, as it seems the technology is already there.You can already video chat with friends on the go. Are you suggesting this should be free?
Apple will innovate a whole new concept to music and how we use cell phones. Let's not limit our thinking to just iPods and cell phones. I read an article awhile back about Apple's interest in the high-speed Internet market (for cell phones). Imagine if calling someone was more like an audio/video chat instead. Now that would be sweet.
I think developing something for high speed internet is the answer. At the moment, wireless-Internet is an after thought in mobile phones. Always-on (via wifi or 3G) will enable new types of applications.
Who knows, considering that WWDC is developer centric, what if Apple releases an API to allow either software to be ported to the device's OS and to allow third-party developers to write applications for the phone. I'm really looking forward to this year's WWDC more than I have past event. It's getting exciting.
It would be interesting if Apple released a new development framework for mobile devices. Announce groupware technologies and the devices they'll work on, let developers come up with novel ideas.
Personally, I'm hoping Apple starts really simple.
As for WiFi:
You'd have to have an open WiFi network anywhere you wanted to make a phone call. WiFi is not NEAR the coverage level of cell service. In my opinion, VOIP cell phones are way overhyped. When WiBro is widespred and ubiquitous, then maybe.
If Apple make a VoIP phone (via Wifi with an Airport base station), naturally you'd have coverage in your home and at work, and Apple might make some strategic deals with WiFi Networks in many cities. At home & work you'd simply have a phone with no mobile charges. As you move about the city, it could update voicemail & email (etc) where possible. That solution would not require FCC approval.
I think the killer feature would be iChat Mobile... To be able to video chat with your friends on the go -- people would eat it up. I don't know why no one has done it yet, as it seems the technology is already there.You can already video chat with friends on the go. Are you suggesting this should be free?
Apple will innovate a whole new concept to music and how we use cell phones. Let's not limit our thinking to just iPods and cell phones. I read an article awhile back about Apple's interest in the high-speed Internet market (for cell phones). Imagine if calling someone was more like an audio/video chat instead. Now that would be sweet.
I think developing something for high speed internet is the answer. At the moment, wireless-Internet is an after thought in mobile phones. Always-on (via wifi or 3G) will enable new types of applications.
Who knows, considering that WWDC is developer centric, what if Apple releases an API to allow either software to be ported to the device's OS and to allow third-party developers to write applications for the phone. I'm really looking forward to this year's WWDC more than I have past event. It's getting exciting.
It would be interesting if Apple released a new development framework for mobile devices. Announce groupware technologies and the devices they'll work on, let developers come up with novel ideas.
Personally, I'm hoping Apple starts really simple.
verces
Apr 20, 03:21 AM
Hopefully Apple will be sensible and call this the iPhone 4S. Which means I will wait for the real iPhone 5.
Just realised my last post was exactly one year ago! What a coincidence.....freaky.
Just realised my last post was exactly one year ago! What a coincidence.....freaky.
Moyank24
May 3, 10:07 PM
ok, this is my proposal so we get going:
we temporarily split in two groups.
round1 turn 1:
a) appleguy (wilmer) and one or two more (ucf-rohn and aggie-rosius?) explore the start room
b) moyank (beatrice), me (Loras), plutonius (Jorah) and maybe another one (eldiablo-dante?) split and move to the door to the top right, as suggested by beatrice. hopefully no monster there on round one, but if so 3-4 people should be enough to deal with it
round1 turn2:
- group a) joins group b) in the same room
- group b) explores the second room for traps and treasure
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we temporarily split in two groups.
round1 turn 1:
a) appleguy (wilmer) and one or two more (ucf-rohn and aggie-rosius?) explore the start room
b) moyank (beatrice), me (Loras), plutonius (Jorah) and maybe another one (eldiablo-dante?) split and move to the door to the top right, as suggested by beatrice. hopefully no monster there on round one, but if so 3-4 people should be enough to deal with it
round1 turn2:
- group a) joins group b) in the same room
- group b) explores the second room for traps and treasure
ChickenSwartz
Sep 16, 07:32 PM
Just wanted to add, for everyone reading a lot into shipping dates etc., I ordered mine on Sep 11 and got the notice of delays, then notice it was shpped out today (was planning on cancelling after this news).
Now, it will probably be around the 25th before I get, and I won't open it, but considering I have upgrades (so customization = no return) how hard do you guys think it would be for me to exchange it for an updated one?
What was the estimated ship date when you ordered?
As of now, 17'' have an extimated ship time of 7-10 business days.
Now, it will probably be around the 25th before I get, and I won't open it, but considering I have upgrades (so customization = no return) how hard do you guys think it would be for me to exchange it for an updated one?
What was the estimated ship date when you ordered?
As of now, 17'' have an extimated ship time of 7-10 business days.
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nebulos
May 4, 03:16 PM
please don't show an Air on the front page again.
you're giving me almost-gasms, (i.e., tiny heart attacks).
you're giving me almost-gasms, (i.e., tiny heart attacks).
wclyffe
Dec 14, 11:44 AM
Did they randomly send you this email, or did u request an update. I haven't received an e-mail regarding the kit in a while. If this goes on for any longer I will take m business to magellan:mad:
I received an email with the link in it, and then clicked on my order to see the new date.
I received an email with the link in it, and then clicked on my order to see the new date.
milo
Sep 11, 01:30 PM
No its not. Fast, but not as fast.
I can't find it now, but one of the mac websites did iPod transfer speed benchmarks on USB2 vs firewire, and the difference was negligible. I know the spec is different, but in real world tests they were virtually identical.
I can't find it now, but one of the mac websites did iPod transfer speed benchmarks on USB2 vs firewire, and the difference was negligible. I know the spec is different, but in real world tests they were virtually identical.
skier777
Mar 29, 07:31 PM
But I suspect the Japanese are masters of diversification and will meet the challenges.
http://www.good.is/post/earthquake-ravaged-japanese-highway-rebuilt-in-three-short-days/
http://www.good.is/post/earthquake-ravaged-japanese-highway-rebuilt-in-three-short-days/
tf843364
Aug 4, 12:14 AM
Never buy an apple product!!!
As soon as you do something new and better comes out!!!
AAAHHHHHH
I am typing this away on my new Macbook, Core 1 Duo; which i bought under the self-brainwashed reasoning that the MBP alone would see 2x2. Why you ask? Cuz I figured hey, the MB JUST came out, why refresh it every 2 months! The MBP has been out like 8 months, that makes sense.
I can only PRAY I am right.
No that my Macbook will be instant crap... I just COULD have waited until september.
Damn you apple...
As soon as you do something new and better comes out!!!
AAAHHHHHH
I am typing this away on my new Macbook, Core 1 Duo; which i bought under the self-brainwashed reasoning that the MBP alone would see 2x2. Why you ask? Cuz I figured hey, the MB JUST came out, why refresh it every 2 months! The MBP has been out like 8 months, that makes sense.
I can only PRAY I am right.
No that my Macbook will be instant crap... I just COULD have waited until september.
Damn you apple...
rovex
Apr 20, 01:03 AM
Keeping the same design is a wise choice, i reckon they Will make it thinner still.
scottgroovez
Apr 11, 02:52 AM
My vote ties it at 67 votes each! 2 was winning up until that point
You wouldn't do 2 x12 before the division if following the BODMAS rules.
You wouldn't do 2 x12 before the division if following the BODMAS rules.
Eldiablojoe
May 3, 10:06 PM
I'm okay following DP for the moment. I'm not so sure that the sequence is as pivotal as portrayed. I think it would be an obvious place, the first starting room, to place vital objects, so exploring is a must. I'm not sure I agree that the "Move, Explore" sequence is more advantageous than the "Explore, Move" sequence. Keeping in mind that we get attacked the moment we move into a room, so we would want to explore it after a monster is vanquished.
Now that she's mi esposa, maybe I can get Beatrice to finally make me a sandwich.
PS-- The BLOWjoe joke is not really as funny as you think it is. It's easier to refer to me as either Dante or EDJ.
Now that she's mi esposa, maybe I can get Beatrice to finally make me a sandwich.
PS-- The BLOWjoe joke is not really as funny as you think it is. It's easier to refer to me as either Dante or EDJ.